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David Nurse

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Episode 103: Chris Copeland & Lou Amundson- NBA Stars turned Entrepreneurs



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One percenters. Welcome back to another episode of the one percent podcast. I'll be your host, David Nurse like usual.

Hope you guys are all enjoying your quarantine time, becoming one percent better every single day. Today, we have an NBA treat for you guys. NBA players are not just basketball players, but are defined by so much more. Welcome to the podcast. Lou Ahmanson and Chris Copeland. Chris played for the New York Knicks. The Indiana Pacers, one of the best shooters in the NBA when he played Lou Ahmanson, was more of a hustle guy, a glue guy played for the Phoenix Suns with Steve Nash, the New York Knicks as well.

Both these guys were not the high profile, big time names, LeBron James names, but they worked relentlessly to get where they're at and have outstanding NBA careers. Now, was the high performers, they are they putting their minds to the entrepreneur world, the business world, and they are leading leading athletes and others in this type of development. The mindset in just overall growth, Lou and Chris, go back and forth today on what they're developing, how they are defined by more than just basketball and how you can have an entrepreneurial mindset no matter what area you're in.

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Let's just get it rolling on this one percent podcast with Chris Copeland and Lou Ahmanson. Two very good friends of mine, NBA former superstars. How are we doing today, guys?

Well, evidently not. Definitely. Don't give me any of Duclos superstar. I think maybe you got closer than that.

I think you guys are both superstars in my eyes. And that's all that matters. All right. Shake it. I start us off with a bang. We'll cope. We'll start with you. Start us off with something no one really knows about you. Something not just basketball, but that some people might not know about.

Chris Copeland. I've been keeping it, you know, I've definitely been keeping it to myself, but, you know, they move you guys off my people family, so. Oh, I actually been dabbling in the music and department, so I'll be the first.

Oh, yeah. You actually the first person I've said to public means. Oh my gosh.

This is like the biggest news we've ever had on the podcast was the first time, say mazing.

Hopefully it's good. It'd be real good news, but we'll see about some family right now. I called up. Cope. That's really cool, man. When you get when you have some stuff out. We'll use it as the intro music, so make sure you make it. Make sure you make a one percent podcast. Intro song for us. I'll make sure.

Lou, what about you, man?

Yeah. I know. Like, I've been I've been against something here. I've been doing a lot of a lot of art actually lately. But I do. But I've done art my whole life. You know. But I'm kind of giving it some more some more time. You know, especially now. So, yeah, I paint and do like kind of like large scale abstract acrylic paintings. And you have different different media and different things. But that's kind of what I was working on lately.

So I that.

So you do it all. Maybe you are one of the most artistic people mindset and just physically artistic that that I've ever been around. And Koby, you're one of the most entrepreneurial people that I've ever been around. Any time we have a meeting, you're always like, man, I got this, I got this, I got this. Let's play you here. Let's pull you here like you guys are beyond athletes to the max. So let's let's talk about during this time right now, it's as good as everyone knows is crazy time that people leave to look at it is this woe is me.

When will we ever get out of this or how do I use this time to make it pivoting crisis for opportunity? I think you both are absolutely that. You guys are go getters. What ways are you seeing that that you're really taken steps forward during this time, not staying stuck, but going to come out of this thing better than you went in?

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think obviously there is huge opportunity here. I try to always just been looking at it, you know, accepting more of the situation instead of, you know, like being upset that it's, you know, how disruptive it is or how you know. And it can be fair. Like, I I understand. And I don't want to sound callous. You know, there's a lot of people that are really going through tough times, right?

No, I don't have a job. And I can pay and living. I check. So I certainly I certainly acknowledge that those are difficult times, difficult times for a lot of people. But, you know, again, there's nothing we can do about it. So I look, I don't put my energy there at all. I really only think about what, you know, accepting the situation and what it is and and and letting that kind of lead the way and finding opportunity there as well.

So we're talking about it will be a you know, I mean, I know there is huge opportunity here. I think, you know, individually and as a collective, as a society for a huge change. I think when you talk about change on a on a large scale, it takes something like days to really produce that kind of change. So I'm very excited, you know, to see what this is going to do. And see what effects this is going to have.

And I know for certain that, you know, I think that there's going to be coming out again for a lot of creativity, a lot of ingenuity, a lot of, you know, a lot of really new ideas and perspectives coming out of that, which I think is amazing.

It's a beautiful answer. It's it's not what happens to us, but it's what we make of it and happen through us. And that's spot on, Lou. What what are you picking up from this? What do you see in man?

I understand a lot of it. A lot of us ago we're losing. And I think it's gonna be interesting to see what comes out of this at this time. I mean, at the end of the day, we know the words will be very different. People are going to interact differently. And I would like to hope that the majority of people will try to push for things to get as close to normal as possible to me.

I don't think it'll be funded in a world where everybody just six with a virtual world.

Yeah. If that became the norm, I think be. You said will deliver me. But I feel like we can't help but to know that it is going to be different. We come out of this thing.

But like I said, there will be some see some new creative, creative people coming to the forefront because we'll need new ideas. We need new ways to manage things and how to go about life as it changes. Does it will be different? I mean, just it just will be there's a lot of fear out here. A lot of anxiety when it comes to being is the government's honest truth. You talk about how is this you know, you hear all the conspiracies.

How bad is this virus? Really all that type stuff. And a lot of people don't know how to handle that. So I think you're going to see a lot of anxiety from a lot of people coming out of the gates. And it's going to be interesting to see how people manage and how people create new ideas, new businesses, new. I think everything from sanitation is, you know, it was going to be really big. You know, people that invest in those type of things, cleaning services and whatnot, they're goes to be huge.

It's to be popular. I know everybody's going to have a cleaning service coming out is there's going to be lucrative. But I think people will make money off that type of stuff. It's going to be interesting what happens next.

Yeah, Lou, coveted spot on. I, Chiaretti, have a hand sanitizer business, go into toilet paper business, go on.

Like I'm I'm on the front lines of you know, I think you guys both make great points and coming out of this will be different. But what I really hope people come out with is the happiness that they've built, that the habits of spending time with their family, taking time for the most important stuff, and not just going back into the busy, busy, busy. When we do get out of this and it's back to more normal normalcy.

And so it's it's an opportunity to what I call turning things in from survival mode into thriving mode. And you guys are doing that right now, as you mentioned. And you've also done that in your careers. You guys are NBA players that just like people dream. Everybody dreams of doing that. But you didn't stop. There were a lot of players.

When they're done playing and you've all heard the story, you go broke and bubble bath and that's but you guys have turned that just NBA into something where you're thriving, where you guys are in the entrepreneurial mindset and always create. In looking forward to what's coming next. So cope you start us off as as I was talking about earlier, like we talk about business type of stuff all the time. And I mean, we need to hang out more. Obviously, we can't hang out right now, but I love being around you and picking your brains on what you have just in the in the in the oven.

Yeah, I mean. Mom, mom, mom, mom, always going to the salon, mama got to go do it. But she she always said, you're working on your stuff. You're just working on your story. No, Genco. She's always she said anybody who's ever done anything special is always has a story about. A cool story to tell. All right. And I think part of Lewine, I think we have a lot in common is that we were the underdog story.

You know, look, you had had to grind everything.

You got to grind for everything I've got. And I think, you know, even being an NBA, you know, I'm using that story like part of one of the things I'm doing.

I'm really excited about sex versus sex that made to run our tests, which show little piece that I'm most excited about is because, you know, I get to actually part a part of the platform is giving guys opportunities to create their own suit.

You know, I think it's it's for me personally. It's a it's a passion of mine to see guys that have similar backgrounds that are just trying to figure it out and figure out a way to to be successful in the game of basketball in the NBA was just a stepping stone for me to be able to have a little light to shine on on the next guys come and try to figure it out to. So it's fun to be a part of this whole thing.

And this is great. It's real rewarding when guys say, man, you know, I don't know how this thing is going to go.

I appreciate you guys figure out some four guys out here. So it always feels good to trials and whatnot. So that's that's that's my that's my story.

Oh, no, I love it. And Coach, that's a great point, because we're always creating our story. We are always building our resumé resume is not something that we just write down on paper on what we did. But we live out our constant resumes. And if you have that mindset of always creating your story, you're always looking for money to improve yourself, but also wanting to improve others around you. That's it. That's beautiful. That's what it's about.

Lou, what about what about yourself after coming after finishing in the NBA and in retiring, what have been some things that you've pivoted your life to in focusing on and in developing? Yeah, just really try to take my time an indication and not rush into any one thing, I guess. Really? Yeah, I like this really observe and let things kind of settle in. And I think such as, you know, such a big adjustment and transition for for for guys like Popey myself who are transitioning out of something we've got our whole lives, you know, so I don't take it lightly.

And I, I don't know, like there's just a lot of reflecting, a lot of, you know, thinking about what my life what I want my life to be like in the future and what that's like because we do have this opportunity to really start fresh if we want to do anything more. And that's something that most people don't have. So I feel very blessed to be in as an. But, yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I'm working on a few things here and there.

But I'm I'm trying to. Yeah, I think I think it's important to on to observe yourself. We're really transitionary times in life when, you know, I only understand what would curb what you're saying about identity and about your story. I think I think for me, you know, especially in our time transitioning once once we once we kind of leave basketball, we have to come to grips with a new story with a new identity. It becomes our story.

Right. But we will no longer, you know, a basketball player. We were a basketball player. If you hear basketball, there you go. And so, yes, to me, it's a really, really important time to really go deeper with yourself and understand yourself on a deeper level, coming to grips with your, you know, your own personal identity, how you view yourself, what you want out of life. I think I really you know, these are the questions that we're always asking of ourselves and each other.

So so that's kind of really giving myself the time, space and, you know, the the. Yeah. The ability to grow into that. And it's like I'm giving you got the time it needs.

Lou, you hit three really good points that I love to talk to people about and observe transition and identity. Observe being so key is as most of us will just go through our days slike, cars super, super fast like a rat race. But to be able to figure out what you really want to do, what's really meant to do, you have to take that time to to sit back and and just observe. And then when you talk about identity, it's like you guys are identified as basketball players.

But that's not what defines you. And a lot of people will have that that thing that people say they have to be or what they are like for myself. I was basketball coach, shooting coach, but since then I've been pivoting and transitioning into motivational speaking into this podcast. Being an author like we are, what we decide we want to be in. There's a ton of power in that. But it's also really, really difficult for a lot of people to do is having having that that purpose, but having passion together, mixed with their purpose and and making this kind of transition or this pivot.

Is there. Is there any types of mindsets? And we'll start with you, Lou, as you guys both have very strong mindsets through the NBA and everything that it takes to play in college basketball and play in the NBA 30 type of mindset such that you've developed over your life, that you're taken from basketball and now transition in it to today's world.

Yet a time. You know, I mean, just taking you back for a second to this time, what we're experiencing now, which I think is not, can be. You know, understated. I mean, I think this is unprecedented, obviously unprecedented time in history where never before have we seen this and stalking, you know, this is going to have this effect of, you know, everyone is having to come to terms and come to grips with who they are, what their identity is, who they how they view themselves because they don't have to working for it.

They have to work. A lot of people don't have work or they have to know, you know, they have to transition into a different way to to look at themselves in the way that they make a living. And so these are all like new ways of kind of a reckoning of a reckoning of sorts where people are going to have to look at, you know, their identity and how they view themselves. And then, yeah, so I think for me, like as far as what I do, you know, I always approach things how I approach basketball or Chobanian, you know, we had to grind.

We had to work harder than everybody else. That was our superstars. We had to you know, we had to put in that extra time. We had to sacrifice a bit more. And, you know, maybe maybe look more long term and maybe put our our our short term or short term goals, maybe our home for what we wanted in a long in the long run. So for me, that's always been. Yeah. Like working hard.

I think being positive. I've I've always I've learned very valuable lessons throughout my career in the way that it went. And one of though the main ones be to not worry about the things you can't control. And it sounds very obvious. It sounds, you know, everyone knows days before. But I think it's a very it's a it's it's a different lesson to learn through experience than it is to, you know, through, you know, intellectually where you are and know what it is.

But then when you're forced to repeat repeatedly, do it at a very you know, parties do it over and over again was something that you are passionate about. And you are. That is your your craft is. No, that is your passion. That that instills it in a very different way. It distills it in such that you you really it hits you a different way. So I say, like, you know, working, you know, definitely there is no substitute, there's no shortcuts.

There's no substitute for just good old fashioned hard work place. And then and then to not take them like they are for me, you know, a lot of the stuff is really simple, but it sometimes takes you experiencing a on a on a real personal level to really distill that into your fiber of your being where you like. OK? This is I'm not going to I'm not going to worry about it like, you know. You can you can tell yourself, I'm not going to worry about stuff I can't control all the time.

But then usually are just to try to let those things not put any any energy into it or behind it and let yourself save save the energy for those things that you are passionate about if you do want to pursue and that you do want to make it into reality, you know, saving that energy for those things and not for anything else. Well, man, you are like a stoic, like stoic wisdom, your drop an honest man. I'm not worried about what happens to us is this is the soul.

Most difficult thing for most people to do is not be determined by their circumstances. But you hit on the point of, yeah, we all know that. But it's the difference between knowing and doing and through repetitively having to go through these situations, these difficult situations that you have always been the underdog and doubted. And then coming through on top, you realize, hey, I can get through any type of situation and it gives you that power of no, it's not about what happens to us, but it was what happens through us.

So that's awesome. That's just spot on. Great answer. Cope. What about yourself, ma'am? Any mindset's developments that you have had throughout your career, throughout your life that lead you to be the continued driving force you are today?

Yeah, I'm just kind of piggybacking Lulus and, you know, after after all the work, you know, going out there and trying to be courageous, you know, it's like, you know, it's just not nice because you put out you know, you put on it, put out all this work and just went to school or whatever it is like you could be creating a business, could be anything.

And, you know, some people would they call it paralysis through analysis. At that time, you just over three days, you know, always as a basketball player would challenge myself to shoot. I mean, I'd be lying to you if I did if I didn't say I was nervous in games or anxious before, you know, it kind of goes away when you start playing. But at some point you got to tell you. So, listen, no matter what, we won't be aggressive.

I mean, I'm off. I'm going to continue to be myself. You know, wanted to bring it reminds me of a story. One of my favorite movies, all my favorite characters is Killings of Troy.

I know he's like he's talked so to the movie stars. I'll try to telefax Virgin Stewart movie stars and they're like little quirkily. They send the kid the Bible. And he said to the two best lawyers from both sides, would would would end the war, save a bunch of lives. Long story short, and the kid is waking up. Achilles's, like, going to be he's going to bed with girls and he's having a good life or whatever.

You know, the kid is like, wake up. You got to, you know, fight this monster. He's no, no. He's putting on his shield. And the kid is like, you're Achilleas, right? I heard you can't be Coupland's back when you buy the shield. And part of the story is, is, you know, that's important because he knows at some point, you know, bad things can happen. I mean, me and then the kid is like, he's such a monster.

I wouldn't want to fight him. And he said, that's what I don't want to remember. Your name. Iraj want to go to go to battle for me. I think those super powerful because it's like you got to know the consequences, be well aware of your surroundings where you come with that.

But at the end of the day, you gotta write out, face all the challenges and try to be courageous. So I just say shoot you.

Shoot your shot, man. That's beautiful. And it's for everyone out there.

Cope is one of the ogress, you know, can shoot low.

He's one of the only people, one of the only people to beat me in a shooting competition.

I will admit that on air I will get going like a big guy goes, go quick. When you get to the Coast Guard.

So a shot is sad. It's it's it's Babita Grace here. Singer but that mindset too is what separated you. Cope is one of the best shooters when you played. And I love that so much. This is a lot of us get stuck in that, that fear of not taking that shot. But what's the worst that can happen. We shoot that shot. We're right back to exactly where we're at right now. And there are there's there's Stassi say that 98 percent of what we fear never ends up happening.

And everybody lives in this worst case scenario, especially right now, like thinking the world's going to end. Ninety eight percent of that stuff doesn't happen. So why waste your time worrying on it? Take it. Take this opportunity and take your shots. Take your half court deep bombs, that coke pulling up one step inside a half court. Do those type of things now. Let it fly. Let it fly.

And all of these types of mindsets are built on habits, built on routines. Do you guys have any certain, like, non negotiable things that you do during your day as at your habits? Maybe it's your morning routine, your evening routine. Copel, start with you.

Any habits that you have that you feel like and it's just this separates me from everybody else that separates me or just the habits that you have or just the habits that builds you to who you are.

Four for me. Well, one, my habits, I'm always going to my phone, I chronicle. So as you know, the notes that I take throughout the day, I will say first thing in the morning. But all throughout the day, I'm always taking notes on making weather be sun alerts myself tomorrow, calling this person. Make sure I also get to stay on top of certain things, like whether it be on creating application or different different things in business that I'm trying to make sure I don't forget.

So I think that's that's something that keeps me on top of things that I focus on throughout the day, just just making sure I'm going to my phone, going through my notes and making sure to get it as I'm trying to create green go forward. Yeah. You're really good at that. You do a great job of staying connected with people, and it's it's a it's a skill at building relationships, but it is a skill that keeping relationships is even more of a skill.

So you do an amazing job. And as I say, that's a great point.

Lou, what about you getting habits, routines that you go to, you lean on, super excited to share with you guys. My first book, Pivoting Go is on presale. Now, Amazon, David, nurse dot com pivot and go. It's about making mindset pivot, small, slight changes in your perspective, subtle shifts that can change your entire perspective on life. It's based on twenty nine days. Twenty eight to make a habit. Twenty nine to make a lifestyle.

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Not particularly. I think, you know, like I think working out know stay active is a really important part of for me, you know, as far as like you're feeling good and thinking clearly. But, yeah, I don't have any you know, I know people are super into their routines and stuff. I you know, I get I get super into, you know, something that I'll be doing and I'll do it habitually for for a while.

And then and then I'll change, you know, into something else that I think that for me that works because I don't I don't know. I feel like it's good for me to have that flexibility and to have the and to not feel you know, I think that there is there is something to like having consistency in your life and something that is the same every day. I recognize that as being valuable. But I certainly think that like like with this, you know, there's there's a lot that you kind of have to in life.

You just have to go with the flow sometimes. And. And so and so, yeah, I do my life stuff space to kind of kind of do whatever it is I'm you know, some days I'm feeling like I need to do I need to do a longer meditation or some days I'm feeling like I need to, you know, do a really hard work out or whatever it is, you know, and I give my space myself kind of the space to through to do that.

Yeah, that's that's beautiful. That's who you are. It's it's you. It's consistency but consistency with growing, with evolving, constantly evolving. You're not afraid to get out of your comfort zone, which most people get stuck in that same routine, that same habits, which, like you said, habits and routines are great, but not something that we want to depend on and get feel like we're stuck in. And she would like I'll text you one day and you'll be over in Thailand going on some crazy trip or the next time you'll be over in Europe like you are one of those people that seek out adventure, seek out growth and seek out really like being in an uncomfortable position where people might not think you should be in, but you thrive in that.

And that's that's what that's that's where that growth comes from, is pursuing those uncomfortable situations. And so so that's yeah. I think there's you can kind of easily if you have these these routine that you kind of adhere to everyday becomes very comfortable and you may miss out or not the observance of something that might might be there for you and might be might be waiting for you that day. Yeah. But you're so focused on the thing that you think you have to do or else doesn't.

Starless I'm not me. You miss it. So, you know, I think it's good to be, you know, to have those things that you think makes you feel good and it set you up on, you know, that to feel good, but also to open your eyes, to be observant and be flexible to whatever may call it. And maybe that puts you in a situation where you can get a lot out of it. You can grow a lot.

It's great. I love that man. And and on this one percent podcast were a lot about the the motivation, the self motivation, intrinsic motivation that you have, Lou, starting with you.

What what wakes you up and motivates you to get out of bed and just attack the day like you do. Oh, yeah. I think for well, for a long time, you know, basketball was my you know, that was my muse, right. So I think all Vassall players share that in common. You know, like, we just we love the game so much. There's a dry burning fire in all of us to want to do better.

Want to want to be great. And so that that drove me for many, many years. You know, and now it's kind of new a new normal for me to no longer have that drive. So it's interesting, you know. I see that energy kind of being dispersed in two different areas. And then then things in and parts of my life that kind of maybe were were stagnant before. And now I kind of feel this this new surplus of energy.

And and so, you know, I think always for me, it's like, how do you know? How do you how do you become a better version of you? How do you learn more? I'd love to learn. I love to find out about new things. I love to. Yeah. You know, like I love to go on adventure. And so those are things, you know, I love challenged. And those are things that I think drive me and propel me further and want me not leave me wanting more is challenging things that I know I have to commit to and work hard at to really to see to see myself achieve in that category.

I think, you know, really, like most good things, they don't come without hard work, you know. So I almost I almost relish in in that in that hard work knowing that there's something on the other side of it. U.S. great growth towards becoming the best version of yourself through challenging things like. That's why I love being around both of you guys. That's why you guys have become really good friends to me, as is. I know that if if I have anything that I want to do or something that I'm saying, hey, this is what I'm going to do.

And I shoot it off you guys than you expected of me, like. Yeah, of course. All right. And you're doing this something big. And most people be like, now, you can't do that. You can't do that. But it's been around people that empower you to be the best version of yourself. Challenging each other. Iron sharpens iron. And you guys absolutely do that for me. Man, you guys need a podcast yourself.

I would listen to both of you guys with that knowledge. You're drop in. Seriously.

We've we it we should do it. We should do so. I think you guys should. And seriously, Coach, what a goal. What about yourself? What wakes you up in the morning? Just with a vigor to just punch life in the face.

More like blew it up me.

I think that that's a fun commercial. Oh yeah. No, but seriously, one more thing. Go, go, go. You know, it's a it's a. It's a sad Saturday, you know, after athletes that don't plan. I think that's all. That's all. You know, it's kind of a stereotype. You know, basketball is like a piece all of our lives. Our teams bleed. We personally you. I want to do it.

My goal is door to door. So that's thought. What I've done in sport with all the other things I'm trying to create. So that's what drives me every day I wake up and try to figure out ways to recreate myself. Bigger. Bigger scale. Whether it be even if it's just getting better or creating other teams. So that's what I'm pushing for. And you will.

That's a great term and a great growth term. And you will absolutely door fear me. Career is a very good NBA career. So look up, Coach. Look up, Lou. You guys will see with the amount that they've grinded to get to where they are today. All right. I'm off three on the rapid fire hot seat. So whatever comes to your mind, it could be quick answers. It can be long answers. You call it cope.

We'll start with you. What is your favorite mindset quote that you live by if you have anything other than just more period. Do you have anything that gets you juiced up or something you put on your fridge a mindset quote?

Yeah, my mom was were so shy. The mama mama again. My favorite quote. She gave me when I was a kid. She said, isn't that a find a way to make her look so good.

And you're so good at bonus points for another shout out to mom. To my mom. Lou, what about you? Yeah, that made me think of of, of course, my mom and something she used to tell me, you know, where there's a will, there's a way.

And it's the same as the same kind of message. Like if you you know, if you wanted to happen, you could find a way to make you. You know, I will be the. It's just so powerful and it coming from your mom's, it makes it so much better and actually my favorite quote came from my mom, too, which literally led me to pivot my life from playing to coaching, is when one door closes for open a whole beach front patio, meaning one door closes, an opportunity for so much more greater things to come.

Unbelievable. All coming from the mob. Everybody out there listening. Listen to your mom's.

Hi, Lou. How about the moment you realize, man, I'm in the NBA, so moment you're on court early on in your career, like, yeah, OK, I'm here. Oh, man. Probably when I was when I got to Phoenix and I was like in the in the rotation, you know, my that was my third year. I guess, you know, I played the whole year previously in Philadelphia. But I would like play here, here and there wouldn't be consistent.

So when I got to Phoenix, I was like, like surely in the rotation by every night and playing with with, you know, Steve Nash and Grant Hill and Shaquille O'Neal and Morrie. And it was like that for me. Holy shit. Like, I'm. I'm. Yeah. Like, I mean, I'm I'm here now.

Crazy man. It's a great TV on you, Steve Nash, don't you. Are somebody like that. Like that's that's pretty too real. But, you know, that's not like, you know, you get maybe a half a half a second. Do you like Detroit? You got to go. Oh shit. I play. Exactly. It goes away real quick for sure.

Hey, with Steve Nash, the best teammate you ever played with.

He was up there. Maria Grant Hill was great. Who am I? Yeah, like, I had a lot a lot of really cool people over the years. I hope that whole son thing was great as well. I loved my teammate. He was. He might have been one of my favorites just just just for his. He's got this amazing sense of humor that I love there because he was like when he dude were, you know, like he's he's funny without knowing he's funny.

Yeah. Like, just the way that he is. And like, I don't think he even realizes that, but he is hilarious. So yeah. But I've you know, I've had a lot of really great teammates throughout the years.

Yeah. Yeah. Maurice Moore is bigger than basketball for sure. And Steve lives right down the road from us. I think he's in Manhattan Beach, right?

Yeah. And he had a ski with him play some beach volleyball.

I know. I've been I've been trying to get up with him and puts on beach volleyball, but we haven't I haven't haven't challenged him yet. So hopefully someone. Yeah.

At all young kids for him and Corona thing might get in the way. Cool. What about you, man.

Your moment as it was made. It made it a little bit. We just actually get the call. Oh, it wasn't even a call I was on. I got sent office and I'm used again at this point. But, you know, we just kind of know it's like articles spun. And I was I'm going to remember who was Greenwall Woody Allen Houston in office. And they sat me down. They were like, know we're sorry to tell you we're making cuts today.

This is so cool. And they said, you know, I be one to you know what it is, let's let me be a possum.

It was crazy to me. I remember just again. This is PRI overkill. I'm I remember call my mom immediately where there was like or, you know, no song. You know, how long is the last is not a guarantee or anything like that, but not filing to sit on a jury case. I never made a team, so I'm sure you may.

And you made the most of that to me when you got that opportunity, you blew up like you probably dropped 40.

Yeah. I mean, it goes crazy. I still never believe it, like thirties and stuff in the preseason, but I just did. But, you know, when I was 26, 27, 28 some years ago, I just didn't think I was like being on, you know. You know, my history, you know. You know, all the time. Nobody saw me. I just never really believed it. No, no. I think it was really cool from office, to be honest with you.

I just was like, probably no, no, not a media person. And we ran with it.

What? You dropped 40 in the game? No, I had I had. I had an MBA. No, I had 30.

So you had like 30 fixed. So that's still anything. Thirty plus VAT that's going.

You had like a minute, you had like close to 40. I remember one guy in a pre in a preseason, a couple. I had a couple of areas in my work. Yeah. You see was like. I was like I had 30 Bastar. I did it also that year. You know, JJ, his brother was there too. So I was like, you know, Chris was tough. He's a good competitor. And, you know, I was like, damn, in a day.

I don't think I pick me over me. So yeah. Yeah, I never really believed it. I really do. People telling me, like, listen, is going on a show for all the other teams and maybe someone pick you up. And I was ready, anticipating where I could end up next.

Well, I really don't make it, man.

Well, I feel like if you didn't if the nickname put you up, that your summer would have picked you up just off with the strength of that pre-season. You had to appreciate that. I appreciate your man.

But it's both a testament to your guy's preparation for opportunity. Like it didn't come easy, but you also didn't give up. And when the opportunity came, you guys both seized it like crazy. That's big props to both you guys. A cop who was always the toughest player that you ever had to defend. Hardest matchup it could it didn't have to be like the super superstar, but whoever it was. I mean, obviously, you got I mean, I always say LeBron.

But, I mean, he's good. He's pretty good.

The lesser known, lesser, lesser known, I think one of the more underrated players that I played a lot of guys like as far as why one? I'll say two names from my nickname. Oh, my number. And Josh move I it was really hard to score on on shot. Challenge me every day. Jigar is proud of most one of the most talented guys. Yeah. To do that for me like I mean he was it he was smaller than you were like super fast, strong and jump out the gym normally.

So all those big names, I always do.

So. So you never guarded Lou in the game. And I only ever knew what a mess.

Lou mean like. And he's right there.

So I don't want to know. Get somebody else. Yes. Show some love. I feel you, Lou. What about you? All around you asked me, is all I have to say, a few names. First name I say is dirt because that and therefore, like, you know, his seven footer. OK. This is before, like, there was really big to that were like stretching the for like you did. But he was kind of the first one to do it.

And, you know, he shoots the ball. His release point is like behind his head. Four. These are all the punk phase. He's like, you know, so there's. It was impossible Ghara because, you know, you you had a challenge, a shot, but you couldn't job if you jumped at all. He would go he would get you in the air and go the line. And he was just so lall. And even if you were right about him, he would still just the, you know, his release point being where it was like he could still get a clean look any time you want.

So he is he's he's probably one of the toughest guys. You know, I had to go. Also, I was kind of, you know, part of that something that we we were kind of one of the first few teams to start playing kind of what now is pretty ubiquitous across across the league as a small ball. So I would be, you know, in the game and I'll be playing I'll be guarding guards. I'll be guarding centers.

You know, I'm I'm not that big. I mean, I'm I'm big and normal people. But, you know, when I'm playing against, like, you know, Pargo soul or like Andrew Bynum, like, that's a tough and tough match.

So. So any time I'll be like in the game, I just got like big strong do or long do like that. It was tough for me man.

Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah. Dirk Unbelievable. Yeah. All right. Well I mean, you guys are both the toughest players that I've ever defended to when we play pickup basketball, Lou, and we practice for the TVT. Years ago, I put you guys is the hardest, hardest defenders I've added. I don't play defensive. That doesn't hold any weight.

How about was it compliments to appreciate it.

Good, good, good. What is your definition of leaving a legacy? Not necessarily what's put on a billboard or anything like that, but what would be leaving a legacy to you? Lou, we'll start with you.

I don't know. I don't think about that a whole lot, but I, I do like. I think for me, I, I would love to basically inspire as many people as I care nice and in positive ways, you know, so I know to have a family and to know that. And I guess that's the ultimate legacy when it comes to inspiration. You know your own child. You know what? But you know, what other human can you inspire on a greater level than your own child?

There's probably anybody but you know, but it just comes down to. Yeah. Like, I think trying to inspire people to think differently than to see new perspectives, to question some of their long held beliefs. I think these are very powerful, powerful things. And if I can inspire that in other people. I think that that's one of the highest callings, to be honest.

That's a beautiful answer. Truthful answer. What about you? What is leaving a legacy mean to you?

And I'm going to piggyback, you know, loosies loose on point. I think Luke, as he makes, makes great points. And this is when he said, challenging people's long held beliefs. Nice against really what I said earlier, you know, I mean, us really what I'm about. So, you know, I think you want to it's all about impact and, you know, being an example. So doing it. Doing things. It's one thing to just say in the safe, say things that can challenge someone's belief with being an example.

So for me personally, I like I can't just say as these are more I have to do more show that we are more and more often. So that's Mollie's man, both super good answers.

And you both will, like, inspire impact. Just being around you guys and developed a relationship with you guys anytime I am like. You guys bring this positive energy about you. You bring a positive energy to to give to others to it's never, never around you is never about just what what anybody can do for you. But you guys are literally living examples of being what a true testament of a servant, a motivated servant, inspiring others. So I mean, I know I know.

Pumping you up even more so cope after saying you are the hardest guy I've ever defended. But honest truth. People need to everybody out there, you need to follow Lou and Co and just learn from. Just just follow what they're doing, what they're saying, the message they're putting out there, because it's it's change in the world. So in that in that note, how can we all follow you guys. Cope. Good. You can follow me optimist call like Optimus Prime.

But this is a good thing. Oh, also I want to play with experts is X because I think A, it's a beautiful movie.

Men are created. It's gonna get it. Even if for people that's not just trying to be professional basketball players. I guess it's just the way it is. Yeah. A network show, X vs. X Sports and an optimist called. Love it, Lou. Yeah, I guess you have Instagram, I'm not super active on air. If you Armin's 17, you know, to be honest, I don't put too much on there. But, you know, if you want to come see me, good.

Go to the beaches, man, add visas. Get all that volly vocal you'll find.

We'll talk about that.

Look. You put some creative pictures of bodies to grab. You definitely do. Any time you put something up on Instagram, I got to I got to stop and think of like, first of all, what the heck is that and what is the meaning of that? So you challenge people bad. You make them think both you guys.

Absolute definitions of being a one percenter porn into yourself. So you think you can pour into others? That's my definition of it. But what is your definition of what is being a one percenter mean to you? Lou will let you roll with this first one. Yeah, I mean, I guess just going back to right. Like to, you know, trying to get in the league and, you know, having that as my my goal, you know, basketball success with basketball, like, you have to look at it like that.

No, you have to look at a member just so many times when you think about, like, how bad you are. Like, you know, are you going to be are you going to do more than that then? Ninety nine percent of people out there. That's what come down to. Right.

Like if you're one presenter. Yeah. Nice. Do are you going to do more than that? Are you going to do more than 99 percent of people? Because if you're not, then you're not going to be the one percent. So I think just understanding that and then trying to put yourself in a different category of like, well, it's not you know, if you're trying to get to that one percent doing what? What is status quo or what everyone else is doing?

It's not good enough. So you have to. You got to dig a little deeper. Reach a little higher. And that becomes your mantra. That becomes your philosophy. And that's how you achieve. I think that one percent. That's how you get there.

Wow. Lou, that was really good. Coach, could you top that? That was some fire right there.

Now, what's up with you?

Because, you know, that's that's a lose lose lose a really smart dude. I think people really should follow this. He's asking for. No. Ever. Oh. But, you know, to piggyback, that one percent is not to be the you know, it just makes me think, oh, my coach. My favorite coach. Well, it's easy to free a coach me overseas. And he told me success is not a destination, is.

It's a lifestyle. It's about I like having that mindset every day that that pushed you to be more be and to be great at whatever you choose. So it's for me that's always been where I always since is that conversation. I'm actually pushing you every day to change my mind about everything, whether it be, well, you know, getting more sleep or spending more time doing things that are beneficial to whatever I have going on. For me, that's what it's about.

It's trying to embrace that journey and that every day is every day myself.

Man, you tied that up so well, making the one percenter a lifestyle beautiful. Chris Copeland, Lou Armus. You guys are officially off the hot seat. And the one percent podcast. Thank you so much, both you guys, for coming on, taking this time spent in this time. And just I loved you guys before this, but your wisdom, man. I'm telling you, you guys got to start something where you're out there even more because there is a lot a lot of great things people can learn from both of you.

I'll be fun. We go back. Yes, sir. I appreciate you guys big time.

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